In investigating these scams I've presented some evidence that was posted by people on MoneyMakerDiscussion.com and other websites. Sometimes people delete their posts to hide their tracks. If some of the links I've given you no longer work, you still might be able to find the pages with the evidence in Googles' cache. The thing to do in this case is search for some of the phrases in the evidence. If you search for a whole phrase and the words in the phrase aren't that distinctive, you should put the entire phrase in double quotes when you search for it.